Curse

lord dragon · Sep 26, 2007, 07:00 PM // 19:00

I would say it was a fair review. They may have given it a little higher rating then I would have, but all it all fair.

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3163056

Nemo the Capitalist · Sep 26, 2007, 08:23 PM // 20:23

hmmmmmmmmmmm

MarlinBackna · Sep 26, 2007, 09:24 PM // 21:24

Looking at the various reviews, the various complaining on guru, and my personal experiences, I believe everyone can agree on one thing: GWEN was over-hyped. The content that GWEN has isn't really up to par with the campaigns, but they counter that with saying "it's only an expansion". I had high hopes for GWEN and they kind of fell flat. The dungeons for the most part are good, but I am most disappointed the most in HoM and the armor. Good thing I like the Warrior Monument Armor (even though it is a mixed-up reskin), or else I would be complaining about it more. HoM needs to be able to include more, which they have said. The longevity of GW1 I think depends on major updates in the future (like the Sunspear skills or making all armors have insignia). If they do those ~2-3 months, I'll still play. They seemed to make GWEN more than it really was, and after they received the criticism for, they point to the word "expansion".

Wulfgast · Sep 26, 2007, 09:52 PM // 21:52

With the scathing remarks in that review, I'm surprised it got over a 5.0 after scoring was considered. Seems strange. I personally think 1up really hit the nail on the head with the HoM portion, though.

Anet has made a reputation for themselves by listening to its player base, so they're well-aware that 70-80% of the community is unhappy with GW:EN. I'd expect a very major update in the near future, especially since they've been so quiet about things recently.

lord dragon · Sep 26, 2007, 11:42 PM // 23:42

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Originally Posted by Wulfgast

With the scathing remarks in that review, I'm surprised it got over a 5.0 after scoring was considered. Seems strange. I personally think 1up really hit the nail on the head with the HoM portion, though.

Anet has made a reputation for themselves by listening to its player base, so they're well-aware that 70-80% of the community is unhappy with GW:EN. I'd expect a very major update in the near future, especially since they've been so quiet about things recently.

I do hope you are right. I have also heard on here hard mode. We will see. After the expansion, I am not holding my breath though. It was disapointing.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

trielementz · Sep 27, 2007, 01:26 AM // 01:26

the game isn't half bad. it's just that we have expected more of ANet after campaigns 1 thru 3. EotN, though fun in its own way, wasn't it. The differences between Prophecies and EotN are many, but there has never been so much debate over 'grinding' than in EotN. I'd say the reviewer hit the nail on the head on that.

mscobra · Sep 27, 2007, 01:44 AM // 01:44

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Originally Posted by trielementz

the game isn't half bad. it's just that we have expected more of ANet after campaigns 1 thru 3.

Given the fact I paid 80% the price I paid for games 1 thru 3 and only got 50% of the quality, I'd say I lost big!

The reviewer hit the issues on the head.

I have, since I started posting given GW:en a rating of 6.5

It's nice to see something more official support my feelings.

Kook~NBK~ · Sep 27, 2007, 04:35 AM // 04:35

It sounds to me like the reviewer just looked at all the complaints on fan-site forums and condensed them into his article.

Vinraith · Sep 27, 2007, 04:45 AM // 04:45

I like GWEN, but then I didn't read the prepress for it. It's a nice collection of additional endgame content. Is it the equal of a chapter? Of course not. Does it provide a lot of fun and interesting things to do? I think so. I'd say, in all, it was about $10 overpriced. I'm not at all sorry I bought it, though.

lord dragon · Sep 27, 2007, 05:25 AM // 05:25

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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

It sounds to me like the reviewer just looked at all the complaints on fan-site forums and condensed them into his article.

Sounds to me like he played it to find out. You are right, there are a lot of fan sights now complaining about GWEN. Funny thing is, there was never this much about the other 3.

lord dragon · Sep 27, 2007, 05:26 AM // 05:26

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Originally Posted by Vinraith

I like GWEN, but then I didn't read the prepress for it. It's a nice collection of additional endgame content. Is it the equal of a chapter? Of course not. Does it provide a lot of fun and interesting things to do? I think so. I'd say, in all, it was about $10 overpriced. I'm not at all sorry I bought it, though.

I wish I could say the same.

wetsparks · Sep 27, 2007, 06:17 AM // 06:17

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Originally Posted by Wulfgast

so they're well-aware that 70-80% of the community is unhappy with GW:EN.

Forums aren't indicative of the overall community, people that come here want to rant or are the hardcore. Besides, 90% of all facts are 100% made up.

sindex · Sep 27, 2007, 06:32 AM // 06:32

Ryan has had on a chip on his shoulder, since Factions went live. I mean look at his blogs, it’s nothing but biased one way information that seems to go nowhere. Even worse then some people I have seen here, including myself that bickers about GW current state. Not meaning that he does not have a right to his own opinion. Nevertheless I think it’s time someone at 1up, hired someone new to replace Ryan’s ravings.

Gigashadow · Sep 27, 2007, 06:45 AM // 06:45

The money is not the problem for me; it could have cost $30, $40, or $50, and it wouldn't have made a lick of difference. If you're spending hours a day playing a game, and then yet more time discussing it on some forums, the actual cost you should be concerned about is your time, not a measly $10.

EoTN is disappointing because while it's not bad, it's not as good as the previous chapters -- not even close. Factions had a better campaign, a couple of new classes, as well as some fun casual PvP (FA, AB, etc.) that, while disparaged, I know many people actually had a lot of fun playing in. Nightfall had an even better campaign, and added Heroes and two more classes. And of course there were plenty of new skins for armor and weapons, and plenty of new game-changing skills all round (as well as new Elite skills). The two campaigns just felt so damn cool in every way.

EoTN really didn't add jack in terms of things I actually care about, and certain things they did spend time developing make no sense - the Eye of Monuments is a horrible abortion of a feature in every respect, and development resources should have gone elsewhere.

Overall EOTN is all right, in terms of something to keep me amused for a little while (I'm not complaining about the price), but it is uninspired and nowhere near as fun as the previous two campaigns, and the replayability factor is far less - for whatever reason, I have zero motivation to take any of my other characters through the EOTN campaign.

EOTN feels like it was pushed out the door as fast as possible. The graphics have a high production value as always, and Jeremy Soule's music is superlative as ever, but the entire campaign is an empty, soulless experience.

cthulhu reborn · Sep 27, 2007, 07:30 AM // 07:30

Well, I like GWEN.
I think there was too much whining and angry responses BEFORE the game came out. Too much speculation and omg's going around before people even played it and so the tone was set.
I think that Anet's advertising doesn't even compare to the sh*tload of negativity that came out before anyone even played a minute of the game so I blame the people themselves more for having wrong expectations rather than any hyping.
As with any of the other campaigns there are some things that could've been better so I am not saying it's all perfect but then no single game ever was in my view.

My advice to people is to not read these forums about 1-2 months before a new game comes out so they have a chance of judging the game themselves rather than being worn down by all the negativity.

This review doesn't feel like the guy actually played the game through himself so I don't stick much value on it. He is simply rehashing things others have said already and whereas some may agree, others may not.

Hippie Bane · Sep 27, 2007, 07:40 AM // 07:40

GW:EN is a gathering of reskins, wrapped around a very weak story and padded with a huge amount of grind. Based on the sheer awesomeness that was Prophecies, I keep buying addons. Factions was okay, Nightfall was great, but GW:EN was the first one that ever made me seriously wonder if I had overpaid.

Basically, I thought the review was accurate and fair. The endgame cinema should have just said, in big glowy letters, "BUY GUILD WARS 2" for 3 minutes.

The rascism of the Asura is disturbing. I see "bookah" and think of other words that get white boys from Louisiana beat up and Al Sharpton called in. The required grind to use skills effectively, let alone to buy the weapons, armor and consumables, is insulting and meant for sheer padding. The dungeons are nice, but one can tell that a minimum of effort was placed into preparing them seeing as how there are maybe 8 rooms that just get tossed around with semi-unique hallways between them. Every armor is a reskin of another 15k set from earlier in the series. The non-profession specific armor is kinda neat, but at 250 whatevers is also annoying. 250 destroyer cores so I can have cracked lava hands? Only if I have nothing better to do. 75 ectos so I can have white hands? I'd rather have a tormented weapon for less than that price. I'd rather have base PVP skins than destroyer weapons.

Long story short, it bothers me that ANet could get Nightfall so right and GW:EN so very wrong. They really phoned it in this time.

WinterSnowblind · Sep 27, 2007, 07:51 AM // 07:51

I stopped reading 1up reviews some time ago, they tend to be extremely biased. If you look at the Pokemon XD review the Gamecube, the guy actually starts out by saying how much he personally hates Pokemon and all the games. Uh.. fair enough, but he doesn't really sound like the type of person who should be reviewing it.

In the Neverwinter Nights 2 review, they basically tried to compare it to Oblivion and say it sucked on that bases..

cthulhu reborn · Sep 27, 2007, 08:02 AM // 08:02

I really wonder why people are so upset that Anet wants to entice people to buy the next game.

Movies, books and TV series use cliffhangers and we don't think it's bad and then Anet does it and all of a sudden it's evil and wrong...I think that argument is complete nonesense.

lord dragon · Sep 27, 2007, 02:11 PM // 14:11

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Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn

I really wonder why people are so upset that Anet wants to entice people to buy the next game.

Movies, books and TV series use cliffhangers and we don't think it's bad and then Anet does it and all of a sudden it's evil and wrong...I think that argument is complete nonesense.

I didn't buy the game for a cliff hanger. I bought it to play. Since there is not much content at all, not much to play. The press is now acknowledging the poor product. Hate to say it, but the nay sayers have it on this one even in the press.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

Bryant Again · Sep 27, 2007, 02:25 PM // 14:25

These are from the same people that gave GW a "game of the year" award. Ouch.